Monday, August 28, 2023

Rugby World Cup 2023 men's teams' rankings update

It seems like https://www.world.rugby have actually calculated the rankings for the men's teams although the date is still 28 August 2023.


                          21st      28th  Difference  Rank

Ireland           91.82     91.82       0               1
NZ                   90.77     89.06     1.71         2 to 4
South Africa  89.37     91.08     1.71        3 to 2
France            89.22     89.22        0           4 to 3

France beat Australia 41-17 on Sunday 27th August which is 24 points difference.

South Africa beat New Zealand 35-7 on Friday 25th August which is 28 points difference.

4 points difference between the matches, 28-24.

It goes to show moving up the table seems hard, South Africa and France went up one place despite knocking the wind out of their opponents. When you think about it, purely from a numbers point of view, there are only 2.76 points between Ireland and New Zealand, which is nothing really.

My point on rankings still stands.

My one about the haka does too.

Come on France and New Zealand, you've got to be in the final, and play a fantastic match. No one would turn down the opportunity of watching that!

(And thinking a bit more deeply, who wouldn't love to see the All Blacks pick themselves up for a slamming opening match and preferably great, consistent games throughout the tournament.)

-A.M.

Rugby World Cup 2023 men's teams' rankings

I could be ignorant in how rankings are calculated, but that doesn't matter, here they are below from https://www.world.rugby

Note this was on 21st August and the All Blacks were 2nd.


I love it, even after the All Blacks historic defeat by South Africa and France's win over Australia, on 26th and 27th August respectively, the All Blacks are still 2nd. *


As a side note, especially for those ambivalent or against the haka, do you really think it helps the All Blacks performance? **

-A.M.

* yes I know it's just an indication and you can't base a team or guess the Cup outcome on their ranking

** this could be used as an excellent example to finish any argument over whether the haka should be performed

Saturday, August 26, 2023

New Zealand vs South Africa, 25th August, Twickenham, Rugby World Cup 2023 warm-up match

I have a contact who believes his own country will not win the Cup, and that team is in the top 4. When I asked him he said the All Blacks and mentioned they were "unbeatable". As you all know, I love the All Blacks and was gunning for them to win, but now it's la France.

Then, as I said in 'The upcoming Rugby World Cup France 2023: who I think will win', https://welcometohighonlifeandtravel.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-upcoming-rugby-world-cup-france.html, I watched the squad announcement live from Napier on 7 August. I think the page must have been updated after the announcement, but not only did I realize it wasn't just my contact's opinion the All Blacks were "unbeatable", it was fact.


I was researching and looking up, when I came across the below and messaged my contact: I think you're right, I'm so proud of the All Blacks, but France can win.

He said then the All Blacks wouldn't win the Cup, it woud be Ireland, South Africa or France. I said I didn't want to know the result of Twickenham yet because I was typing up 'The upcoming Rugby World Cup France 2023: who I think will win', but those results show Australia seems strong, the scores/that score against the All Blacks are/is close.



Then I basically found out the 25th August Twickenham score through my contact before publishing and it was hard to process because it was f...ing crazy.

I did not watch the match, but I will voice my opinion, then read about the match.

To me, it might be a one off. South Africa could be fuelled by fear so that's why they won. And it's a warm-up, not the actual tournament. If it's not a fluke, then they better not have peaked already/too soon. It harks back to the Cup in 2019, the English believing they had a chance, thrashing the All Blacks, then losing the next match, wasting everyone's time.

The All Blacks first warm-up match not in New Zealand ended at 35-7 to South Africa. Not being at home can be harder than being there, but it can be motivation too. It will hurt and they'll feel bad, having flown thousands of kilometres and it's time, effort, money, their loved ones' support, representing their country etc. Retallick will be playing when he's recovered from injury and it sounds like he's good. I'm not sure when the All Blacks left for Twickenham, but acclimatisation may be a factor. I don't know if arrogance could be a factor, but I think it's unlikely. They have time to learn and place 2nd.

France is still my favourite to win and to take the spotlight away from New Zealand for a little bit, les Bleus and South Africa have been playing well in their warm-up matches.

However, while the All Blacks may have been defeated and up until 25th August 2023 they had a perfect record, in 2011 they only won by one point against France. So they can turn things around, or rather, like in that match, get ahead and hold it to take 2nd place.

Also, now they might have a fire lit under their asses or more of one. Better now, before the tournament. And remember, 2011 and 2015, 2019 where it was stolen from them and they came in third. They might feel that still, a lot even, and it will fuel them. Winning can be ecstatic, but you may not necessarily learn as much. Losing can also ground you, which although they are grounded and down-to-earth, they had a perfect record so it may have dented them mentally a bit. And that's good.

Of course, none of what I said matters, the essence of a competition is that day, that time, those players, the strategy for that particular match.

All Blacks, you're still the best team in the World in my eyes and I love you.

After reading about the Twickenham match, it seems South Africa played great and the All Blacks didn't. I like to think it was a really bad day at work, and maybe/possibly a touch of arrogance. One thing I will say, Ian Foster and the All Blacks are such good sportsmen, they praised South Africa and were honest with themselves.

"Twickenham was an unusual ground to host the two southern hemisphere sides, with their last meeting at the venue coming in a 2015 World Cup semi-final, which the All Blacks won 20-18 thanks to a late Beauden Barrett try. "

It was the All Blacks worst loss in their history, 131 years.

"The All Blacks' previous record loss was by 21 points in 1999 and 2019."

"The end margin would still eclipse New Zealand’s previous heaviest defeats, 21-pointers to Australia in 1999 in Sydney and 2019 in Perth."

"New Zealand's previous record loss was 28-7 to Australia in 1999": it just hit me how many fans were there, or had left before the end of the match, and their reaction at full time must have impacted the All Blacks hard. Humiliation, maybe, among other emotions.

"The game extended beyond two hours with stoppages for video consultations and injuries. But if it was an example of what teams can expect at the World Cup, then New Zealand has been put on notice."

It seems the All Blacks have a team ethos which in this case was a weakness because when they didn't have 15 players, it affected them because they weren't a team. This really sank in when I was reading about Sam Cane in the Rugby Pass article. The All Blacks also became undisciplined, the root cause possibly being desperation, and Ian Foster and Sam Cane said they'd rather learn now than later, which was what I said above. When one lets fear/desperation get to them, one can stop being sensible/level-headed/reasonable etc.

The Barrett brothers I found out are solid, but Scott was twice branded "stupid", "New Zealand have already lost experienced lock Brodie Retallick for the opening game of the World Cup against France on 8 September with an injury, as Barrett becomes the first All Black to be sent off twice", and reading "Matthew Carley tired of their persistent infringing by sin-binning Scott Barrett then captain Sam Cane, the first yellow or red cards conceded by the All Blacks all year" conveys the All Blacks' desperation.

To clarify, Scott Barrett might not play not only the next match, but the latter is the opening match of the Cup at le Stade de France against France. Richie Mo’unga's performance was noted in particular.

Jamie Wall for RNZ expressed shades of negativity, anger, irritation, but not frustration it seems. He summarizes the game well: "But everything, from the faltering scrum to the ineffective counter attack to the absolutely shocking discipline, was a reason for the loss. This all needs to be fixed, and in a way that's different to before because if the Springboks can figure out how to subject the All Blacks to that sort of treatment, the French certainly will be able to as well. If they are going to play that poorly, Italy probably can too."

"Foster tried to be positive. “Maybe this (result) will take a lot of heat off us. No one will rate us now.”

Interesting. Maybe "No one will rate us now” means the All Blacks can surprise and they'll be no expectations on them. And for their part, they can 'relax', some pressure has gone.

"South Africa’s triumph was their most convincing in the 102-year history of this fixture and a depleted All Black pack were left in pieces on the floor."

"The world champions made it back-to-back wins after their 52-16 demolition of Wales in Cardiff last weekend, as Jacques Nienaber's side appear to be hitting their best form before their World Cup opener against Scotland on 10 September." South Africa better not peak or have peaked too soon.

"South Africa finished second in this year's Rugby Championship behind New Zealand."

"In their Rugby Championship fixture earlier this year, the All Blacks dominated the opening quarter and went 17-0 ahead."

"South Africa’s previous biggest win over New Zealand was 17-0 in 1928."

"South Africa was euphoric, six weeks after it was mauled by New Zealand in the Rugby Championship."

South Africa's great performance seemed to be driven by hunger, which is 'dangerous' to me because it can be temporary, once you're full, you don't need to eat. They might get full before the final, and it wouldn't be a surprise if winning is their aim. Yes, hunger can be advantageous, but they can't purely win on just hunger. What if they become overconfident or even arrogant or possibly worse, complacent? Fear can be better, you can fear losing the closer you get to the Cup. Each match you could lose. I don't think South Africa expressed fear, or if they did, it was not shown outwardly.

I noted 'dethrone', I think because the word doesn't sit well with me. Maybe because I love the All Blacks, even if I want them to be 2nd and I believe France will lift the Webb Ellis Cup. Maybe because I don't think South Africa deserved their 2019 win. To build on that, if they win this year, then they will be the second team with two consecutive wins, after the All Blacks. That doesn't make me happy, but then they can't win a third time. Preferably prevented by the All Blacks.

The only disadvantage and/or maybe tip for opponents and/or strategy to consider for the South Africa coach and team is their forwards had a lot of work to do. If they can handle it, especially without injury, for 7 weeks and 1 day, good.

This quote seems apt for the match they dominated: "The Springboks received a huge confidence boost going into their World Cup defense starting against Scotland on Sept. 10 in Marseille. They and the All Blacks could potentially meet again in the World Cup quarterfinals, and if they do South Africa has the momentum after laying a massive marker."

-A.M.

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Monday, August 7, 2023

The upcoming Rugby World Cup France 2023: who I think will win

France have never won the Cup. I was shocked to find this out.

After doing some research, but mostly after the All Blacks World Cup squad was announced,  I did a 360 and now France will win. I don't usually do u-turns, it's uncharacteristic. 

If France doesn't win, it has to be the All Blacks.

Les Bleus have more reason than the All Blacks.

- They've never won the Cup
- They're more acclimatised to France's weather than the Kiwis, or any other players from any other country for that matter
- They're the f... ing host country
- The opening and closing matches are at the Stade de France. The Stade de France, people. 
- The opening match is France vs New Zealand. 
- The have history with the All Blacks
- 2011, France lost by one point (the fear in Richie McCaw's eyes was palpable)
- As a team, they're speedy, but most of all, unpredictable and good under pressure. C'est très français. To draw a parallel, remember the last Football World Cup when they made their comeback? I rest my case.
- The All Blacks are away from home, France is not

A win from the French is long overdue.

Finals

1987 New Zealand against France in Eden, 29-9

1995 South Africa against New Zealand in Johannesburg, 15-12

1999 Australia against France Cardiff, Wales

2007 South Africa against England, Stade de France

2011 New Zealand against France Eden Park, 8-7

2015 New Zealand against Australia, Twickenham

2019 South Africa against England Nissan Stadium, Japan

In finals, New Zealand have been at 4, South Africa and France are tied at 3. New Zealand have more experience against France and the current champions South Africa have none. New Zealand have experience against France and South Africa in finals, but South Africa are 'newbies' with their 2019 win, the French are not, but it's been since 23rd October 2011. 20th October 2007 for South Africa is even longer, if you do not include 2019. If the All Blacks and les Bleus are in the final, it will be the third time together if they make it.

Wins

New Zealand: 3 in 1987, 2011, 2015
South Africa: 3, one stolen, in 1995, 2007, 2019
France: 0

New Zealand/Aotearoa has three wins under their belt, South Africa have three, but they stole the 2019 one from the All Blacks so it doesn't count to me. And 2007 is not as recent as  2011 and 2015. Consecutive wins, people, a record, no one had done it before.

Second place/runner up

New Zealand: 1 in 1995

South Africa: 0 

France: 3 in 1987, 1999, 2011 

New Zealand have been second place once, France has three times which shows they keep trying, they don't give up. They know the pain of the Cup being in reach, they could've won, they just didn't have that extra oomph. South Africa have never been in second, they are all or nothing. It's not they could see the Cup, it wasn't there, they didn't have 'it'.

Bronze 

1991 New Zealand 13-6 Scotland
1995 France 19-9 England
1999 South Africa 22-18 New Zealand
2003 New Zealand 40-13 France were 'slaughtered'
2007 Argentina 34-10, France lost badly
2015 South Africa 24-13 Argentina, South Africa were strong
2019 New Zealand 40-17 Wales, New Zealand were/remained strong (England 19-7 New Zealand doesn't count, it was a bad day)

New Zealand: 4 in 1991, 1999, 2003, 2019

South Africa: 2 in 1999, 2015

France: 3 in 1995,  2003, 2007

New Zealand have not only more experience overall for bronze, but has been against South Africa and then France. Maybe they're fighters like the French are to fight for second place. France has one more bronze than South Africa, but is unpredictable whereas South Africa's end score holds steady in their wins and New Zealand  always won, but the score margin is larger because they were too strong for their opponents, except maybe the French had a really bad 'off' day.

The first match of the Rugby World Cup 2023 is on Friday 8th September, France vs New Zealand. Originally I didn't know but thought it would be nice if France could win, but as I said in 'The upcoming Rugby World Cup France 2023' https://welcometohighonlifeandtravel.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-upcoming-rugby-world-cup-france-2023.html, New Zealand can win the opening match and France can win the final at the Stade de France to be Champions.

In bold, who I think will win, even if it doesn't mean France will be in the final according to my 'logic' (shows how much I know right). These are the scheduled matches as at https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/matches, which are known.

Saturday 9 September
Ireland vs Romania
Australia vs Georgia
England vs Argentina

Sunday 10 September
South Africa vs Scotland

Thursday 14 September 
France vs Uruguay

Friday 15 September
New Zealand vs Namibia

Sunday 17 September
South Africa vs Romania
Australia vs Fiji
England vs Japan

Thursday 21 September
France vs Namibia

Saturday 23 September
England vs Chile
South Africa vs Ireland

Sunday 24 September
Wales vs Australia

Friday 29 September
New Zealand vs Italy

Sunday 1 October 
Australia vs Portugal
South Africa vs Tonga

Thursday 5 October 
New Zealand vs Uruguay

Friday 6 October
France vs Italy

Saturday 7 October 
Wales vs Georgia
England vs Sāmoa
Ireland vs Scotland 

Sunday 8 October 
Japan vs Argentina
Tonga vs Romania

Saturday 7 October 
Fiji vs Portugal

I coincidentally caught the All Blacks World Cup squad announcement live and one thing that stood out for me is it was done in Hawke's Bay, which was hit hard by Cyclone Gabrielle. The All Blacks, you guys have your feet on the ground. 

As I watched until the squad photo, I couldn't help but wonder where Nonu was. He still has what it takes in my opinion. If he was picked and the All Blacks won, it would be his third win and maybe he'd even set a record due to his age.

It was hard not to believe the All Blacks won't win when I was watching.* Well done Barrett brothers, you're solid. Savea and Whitelock I only know by name really.

The Kiwis have been at Twickenham for the 2015 final against Australia and maybe have beaten South Africa there (correct me if I am wrong): this is because of their warm-up match against the Springboks soon.

After my research, it really hit me how historic NZ against France is, especially for the opening match at none other than the Stade de France. In terms of statistics and experience in World Cup finals and the other reasons, or maybe, motivations, it seems the stars are aligned for France to win. 

The All Blacks might set a record if they win, but it won't be a hat-trick, what should've been their third consecutive win was stolen from them. By the fucking English (and South Africa) who woke up, realized they had a chace at winning the Cup, then lost the match after the All Blacks.

Although the All Blacks are the best team in the World for me, the French character is what makes them good, unpredictable and great under pressure. But then again, it's a  weakness, France just lost, they came back too late in 2011. 

Another advantage could be the haka, which is basically a Māori challenge. The only team to have a war dance in addition to their national anthem. They better perform it well at all the Cup matches and especially against New Zealand.

Of course, statistics, history, players, experience etc do not necessarily mean anything. 

This is my final verdict: go the All Blacks for second place, I love you, but les Bleus have it in the bag and will lift la Coupe on Saturday 28th October 2023.

* Yes, I got the tense right

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-A.M.

Michel Barnier: French PM